The novel Really Good, Actually begins with the tip of a wedding and a listing. “My marriage ended,” Maggie explains, “as a result of I ate in mattress. Or as a result of he appreciated digital music and tough movies about males in nature. Or as a result of I didn’t.” Maybe the true downside is that Maggie and Jon bought “carried away” after going to 9 weddings in a 12 months and determined to have their very own “huge get together the place everybody informed us we have been geniuses for loving one another and gave us $3,000.” However regardless of the cause, Maggie all of the sudden finds herself going by means of a divorce at age 29.
Monica Heisey’s buzzy fiction debut chronicles Maggie’s darkly humorous and meticulously detailed breakdown set in opposition to the backdrop of our wellness-obsessed world. Nevertheless it’s additionally an ode to friendship and a reminder to cherish the individuals who textual content again if you freak out in the course of the night time.
A Toronto-born author and comic, Monica has written for TV reveals like Schitt’s Creek and Workin’ Moms. We chatted through Zoom on a latest Saturday night, and he or she’s simply as heat and humorous as you’d count on. Right here, she shares her favourite sunscreen, what she’s discovered from Nora Ephron, and one of the best factor to do after a foul day…
What impressed you to jot down Really Good, Actually?
I went by means of a divorce at a younger age myself, and I knew fairly immediately that I needed to jot down about it. I noticed that if I needed to speak about my feelings in an trustworthy means, the simplest means to do this can be to create a fictional vessel. I’ve learn and watched loads of miserable tales about divorce and heartbreak and so they resonated with me. However I used to be additionally fascinated by how a lot of the expertise was so heightened as to be comically ridiculous. Usually issues are humorous on reflection, however even within the second, it was so intense that there was one thing humorous about it straight away.
You write for TV reveals, and after I take into consideration individuals writing TV, I think about an enormous convention desk laden with snacks. However writing a novel is fairly solitary. What was it like shifting between these two work modes?
Once you’re writing TV with a bunch, individuals are at all times supplying you with suggestions. Laughter is an computerized response, so you possibly can pitch one thing and know, truthfully and rapidly, in case your concept is value pursuing. Whereas if you’re writing a novel, it’s actually simply you…in your room…alone.
Writing a novel began off being much less enjoyable — and much more anxiety-inducing — however then that flipped. Once you’re on the inventive stage for TV, the place every little thing is feasible and concepts are flowing simply throughout the group, that’s one factor. However in the case of manufacturing, you’ve got the bounds of price range and schedule and actors and even how a lot daylight is left. It’s a lot tougher. You would have had a tremendous generative inventive expertise after which the practicalities swoop in and alter it. However with a novel, you are able to do no matter you need. You get to determine what the climate is like. That freedom was empowering as soon as I bought over the full worry of it simply being me on the web page.
In a recent DAZED interview, you mentioned, ‘My working idea is that when you can write an excellent banquet you possibly can write something.’ I really like that. You’ve talked about Nora Ephron being an enormous inspiration. What have you ever discovered from her work?
I’m obsessive about Nora Ephron’s eye for the contradictions in individuals. She was non-judgmental and noticed contradiction as a pure a part of being an individual. In the event you’re attempting to painting a personality with any diploma of fullness, I believe it’s vital to know that no person has a very coherent and cohesive worldview. Individuals say issues they don’t imply; individuals take again issues they do imply. I believe each character needs to be a messy character, as a result of each individual is a messy individual.
Do you’ve got a favourite on-screen breakup?
The one in You’ve Got Mail, the place Meg Ryan and Greg Kinnear understand that neither of them are into it anymore. You possibly can see all the stress raise away, and all of the sudden they’re laughing and virtually flirtatious. This ease comes again into the connection straight away as a result of they’ve named the dynamic…regardless that the dynamic is ‘we are able to’t be collectively anymore.’
Once you’re burdened or having a foul week, what have you ever discovered to be useful?
I’m aggravated to say it, however, train. It actually helps with psychological well being. I really like a spin class at the hours of darkness. And seeing an excellent pal for dinner, when neither of you might be in your telephones, might be stress relieving. One factor I missed through the pandemic was going out with a pal and experiencing myself by means of their gaze. There’s a lot heat and loving care in being with a pal and feeling what they’re mirroring again. So, I’d say a pleasant, well-lit dinner with family members or a poorly lit spin class by yourself.
I need to discuss concerning the function of friendship in your guide. Many friendships really outlast romantic relationships; and but friendships are seen as secondary. In your novel, it looks as if loads of the deep abiding love occurs between mates.
I had been studying loads of novels about unlikable or sophisticated ladies and it struck me that they have been all friendless. I discovered it perplexing, as a result of, realistically talking, for each sophisticated feminine protagonist, there are in all probability 4 exhausted mates simply out of body. I needed to deliver these individuals into the middle of the story. It’s a novel about somebody going by means of a private disaster, and I don’t assume most individuals undergo these crises alone. So, I needed to have fun the function of friendship teams. I additionally didn’t need them to look like the buddies in a standard romcom whose solely pursuits are the principle character’s love life. These individuals have full, busy skilled and romantic lives themselves and are taking day out of these lives to supply care and assist. They don’t simply exist to say, ‘He did what?!?’
Once you have been getting divorced, have been there any issues that mates did or mentioned that stood out?
After I realized my marriage was actually, actually over, I informed my pal Evany, and he or she was at my home inside an hour with a bag of groceries. She was like, ‘We will speak about it or we cannot speak about it, however I’m making you potatoes.’ She made this scrumptious dinner with smashed potatoes. It felt like every little thing in my life was falling aside, however right here have been these good and crispy potatoes.
Let’s discuss hair. Are you able to inform me about your bangs?
I’d needed bangs endlessly, however all of the hairdressers I noticed in my teenagers wouldn’t give me them. They have been very insistent that bangs wouldn’t be flattering on my spherical face. After I was learning overseas, my pal Laurel had a brief fringe and I informed her that I beloved it. She requested why I didn’t have bangs if I appreciated them a lot. I used to be like, ‘Oh, I’m undecided they’d work on my face form.’ She reduce them for me that night time. I used to be 20 and I’ve had them ever since. I reduce them myself for a very long time.
I reduce my hair all through the pandemic with kitchen scissors. I lastly went final month to get knowledgeable haircut and the distinction was dramatic.
After I began getting my bangs reduce professionally, the madness of my very own concept was immediately revealed to me. I used to be like, God, I’ve been so disrespectful concerning the talent and craft of hairdressing. I’m a idiot and a moron!
How do you care for your hair?
Across the time of my breakup, I began getting Instagram adverts for Edo Salon in San Francisco — they do razor shags. I bookmarked one million of them and confirmed my very own hairdresser. I’d at all times had wavy, difficult-to-style hair. However after I bought a shag, I discovered that I even have curly hair. The shag has been a revelation as a result of you possibly can keep a pleasant form with out a lot effort.
What’s your skincare routine?
As a ginger, I’m obsessive about sunscreen. I’ve a Hello Sunday Invisible Sun Stick in each bag. I additionally like that snail stuff. Within the morning, after washing my face, I’ll placed on COSRX Snail Mucin Repairing Essence.
How about at night time?
I wash my face with Garnier SkinActive Micellar Water after which Clinique Take The Day Off Cleansing Balm. I additionally use A313 Retinol Pommade earlier than mattress.
Everybody I do know who makes use of A313 is totally devoted.
It modified my life — I don’t get pimples anymore! I additionally discover a giant distinction when it comes to glow. In the course of the pandemic, I used to be interested in retinol however have delicate pores and skin. I learn that this was a step up from the common retinol however not like prescription-grade retinol. I had been afraid of the entire purging and flaking that may occur with prescription retinol, however the A313 triggered no issues for me in any respect. Now I like to recommend it to everybody I do know.
Do you put on make-up?
Being ginger, I really feel like there’s an quantity of day by day funding required so as to have seen facial options. I do my eyebrows with Boy Brow. My #1 finest product of all time is the Milk Makeup Highlighter Stick. It’s straightforward to use and provides you a really pure radiance. I take advantage of Benetint on my lips and cheeks, and I swear by Charlotte Tilbury Pillow Talk Eyeliner, a light-weight brown that you just smudge into the lash line.
What about make-up for a particular occasion?
I really like an excuse to go loopy. I really like a daring lip. I really like a graphic liner. Teenagers on TikTok are doing superb issues, and I get pleasure from stealing their concepts. Violette makes my favourite liquid eyeshadow in a bunch of colours.
Any drugstore faves?
My pal Claire turned me on to redness eyedrops. All I’m ever attempting to do on my face is fight redness. I get dry, pink eyes, however a pleasant clear eye makes me really feel awake and current and human.
The very last thing I needed to ask you about is for readers who’re going by means of a breakup. What recommendation would you give?
My major recommendation is, don’t attempt to skip the half that sucks. It’s going to be tempting to attempt to transfer on. I imply, that’s principally what the character Maggie is doing for the whole novel; she’s attempting to skip over the half the place you are feeling terrible. However you must let or not it’s unhealthy and be mild with your self. After which — this half was exhausting for me — the second half isn’t dropping sight of the truth that at some point you’ll really feel effective once more. Let your self really feel terrible and know that it’s gonna be effective. Hopefully, somebody will come over and make you potatoes.
Thanks a lot, and congratulations, Monica!
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(Opening photograph by Harry Livingstone, second and fifth photograph by Rachel Sherlock, the remainder are courtesy of Monica Heisey.)
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